Listening to George Carlin’s various takes on God inspired Java and yours truly to come up with a few thoughts about the subject in relation to different religious beliefs.
For instance, does Buddhism have a God? Or, do Buddhists consider The Buddha to be a ‘God’ or THE ‘God’? From what we know of Buddhism (the Theravada form), The Buddha espoused that following what he referred to as The Four Noble Truths and The Eightfold Path, would lead to the elimination of ‘suffering’ and thereafter to Nirvana. There’s no mention of him stating that he was ‘God’ – nor did he, as Christ did, claim to have connections to God. So then who is it that Buddhists pray to? Somewhere along the line did some ‘smart’ guy twist The Buddha’s words and set up a system where Buddhists would believe that if they performed rituals like Poojas, that what they prayed for would be granted? Is that why we see politicians in this country troop to temples bearing gifts, as many parents do with children due to take exams?
Then there are so many types of Buddhism – like Christianity – that it is easy for any logically minded person to get confused. Which one is the ‘right’ one? Didn’t God tell any of his followers? The Roman Catholics pray to Jesus’ mother, Mary. And since Jesus claimed to be to be ‘The Son of God’, was Mary God’s wife? But since Joseph was Mary’s husband, did that make Joseph God? Confusing?
There’s Theravada, Mahayana, Tibetan, and other forms of Buddhism being practised around the world. The rituals are different, as are some of the beliefs, but they all ‘pray’, so do they pray to different Buddhas, or is it the same Buddha that just ‘looks’ different?
The Hindus have a whole slew of Gods in their pantheon. And I guess they pray to a particular God depending on what it is they want. Brahma (The Creator), Vishnu (The Preserver) and Shiva (The Destroyer) are the three main deities, but there are scores of others like Lakshmi (Godess of Wealth), Saraswathi (Goddess of Art or Creativity), Durga or Kali (Goddess of Wrath), Ganapathy or Ganesh, who has the head of an Elephant, and on and on and on. We see the rather grotesque self-mutilation that goes on at Hindu kovils and places like Kataragama by folk that are asking for favours from their God or Gods, and again, the ‘faith’ they psych themselves into acquiring is all for the benefit of having some favour granted – and nothing to do with anything ‘religious’.
We don’t know too much about Allah, so have no way of discussing that phenomenon, but if what we read about suicide bombers believing that they are being awaited by so many virgins in heaven after they blast themselves and others into oblivion is true, then please excuse us for the hysterical laughter. How could anybody believe such shit? Except, of course for the brainwashed folk who get to that state due to whatever conditioning got them there in the first place.
What Java figured (and it wouldn’t take a genius to do so) is that ‘religion’ is used by folk through the ages to acquire power over others – to control the flock, like sheep that are herded into their places of worship. Then they start to build up their empires dedicated to their particular God – much like what the Vatican has done – and to consolidate their power. And what they use to hold their various congregations is the fear of God and his retribution – be it burning in Hell, the karma of being reborn to suffer in a future life or anything else that will keep the flock in place.
So there we are – a few thoughts on God and our views on how crazy folk can be to believe such bovine rectal emissions.
What do you think?


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June 26, 2008 at 4:13 am
Meese
I am no expert on the existance of “GOD” maybe he does exist maybe he doesn’t.
I believe religion to be the most organized system for controlling people.
They use emotional GUILT and the moment you question it you are considered EVIL.
I don’t suppose all the killings in the name of God is Evil… Then again this is just me… What do I know…
So thats religion for me..
June 26, 2008 at 7:43 am
Darwin
The Buddha was not a God, just an ordinary mortal (well a prince) who attained enlightenment by meditating and contemplating on the four noble truths as you described. He then taught this to his followers who then subsequently spread it around the world. What we see as Buddhism now is most likely not what was taught 2500 years ago – too much reformations and what-not was added and i feel that the core teachings were diluted since.
Buddhists don’t technically pray as there is no god to pray to – the folk you see at the temples offering flowers and chanting ’saadu saadu’ possibly don’t have a clue about the basics of Buddhism – heck the whole ‘flower-offering thing’ is just a symbolic way of contemplating on how everything eventually dies! Not to curry favour with the gods or trying to out-do each other by offering bigger and better flowers than your neighbor!
The statues in Buddhism are also symbolic – as is the bhodhi trees and so on. Strictly speaking none of these rituals or even temple visits are necessary for being a Buddhist (although the holier-than-thou Buddhists might think so!). In fact I think temple visits are detrimental to being a ‘good’ buddhist, at least for me, as the crowds piss me off and gets my blood boiling
Religion in general (esp the three main monotheistic ones) are all about power and responsible for a hell of a lot of suffering. You already know how I feel about all that!
June 26, 2008 at 9:13 am
Eukaryote
This is a lively theme, and of course much debate has and will go on.
I just wish to make a few points clear:
Buddhism is a vision, a philosophy of life, and contrary to many beliefs NOT a religion. Buddha is not a god, nor did he ever claim to be.
His teachings are of his realization of this world. He understood the nature of this world and tried to explain what he could through his teachings. He understood basic human psychology, the natural instinct of any living animal to avoid suffering, and thus put forth several directions to follow, if you wanted to avoid it. Those are the [sil] chantings often recited by Buddhists. They have quite deep meanings and are in Palli. The process of attaining sil is you promise to abide by these rules, and 5 of these sil [pansil] are considered the norm or bare minimum for any one.
Buddhism doesn’t threaten you with hell. Instead it cites that you are reborn into this world again, repeatedly [because life is a sorrow], until you attain enough merit to get released from the cycle [to attain Nirvana / Nirvana]. This for me is quite complacent with Law of conservation of Energy
There are Gods in Buddhism, but unlike other religions, they are not all powerful or almighty. A god is just another state along the ladder to Nirvana. In Buddhism, gods, await our blessings to progress further up the ladder. Being Human is also a state in this ladder. There are many different states, and every time you die, depending on the good/bad you have you are reborn/enter a different step on this ladder. For all Buddhists, the ultimate aim is to reach the final stage of Nirvana.
As Darwin has already written, going to temple, offerings, etc etc are not and will never be necessities for a true Buddhist.
The main idea behind buddhism if summarized is Chethana. Chethana or Motive is the backbone of this philosophy. Buddha explained this to his disciples – “Chethanahan bikke we, kamman wadami” meaning Bikkus, Motive is Karma
In plain english, if your thoughts and actions are pure, when doing something the result will also be good.
June 26, 2008 at 10:48 am
javajones
Eukaryote – I totally agree that Buddhism is a beautiful philosophy and find the Four Noble Truths and The Eightfold Path to be absolutely right on.
However you say, “Buddhism doesn’t threaten you with hell. Instead it cites that you are reborn into this world again, repeatedly [because life is a sorrow], until you attain enough merit to get released from the cycle [to attain Nirvana / Nirvana]. This for me is quite complacent with Law of conservation of Energy”
Okay, so then what happens when that state of energy reaches the state of Nirvana? Does it cease to exist? If so, is there something missing in the law of conservation of energy?
And then you say:
“There are Gods in Buddhism, but unlike other religions, they are not all powerful or almighty. A god is just another state along the ladder to Nirvana. In Buddhism, gods, await our blessings to progress further up the ladder. Being Human is also a state in this ladder. There are many different states, and every time you die, depending on the good/bad you have you are reborn/enter a different step on this ladder. For all Buddhists, the ultimate aim is to reach the final stage of Nirvana.”
First you say Buddhism is not a religion, then you say “There are Gods in Buddhism, but unlike other religions ……” By citing “other religions” in comparison to Buddhism, it appears you imply that Buddhism is also a religion. Maybe I’m just nitpicking, but there it is!
And then again, if you don’t consider Buddhism to be a religion, what the heck are “Gods” doing in it?
Darwin – You know we’re on the same wavelength!
June 26, 2008 at 11:51 am
Eukaryote
Okay, so then what happens when that state of energy reaches the state of Nirvana? Does it cease to exist? If so, is there something missing in the law of conservation of energy?
Nirvana, is not the end of energy, Its all about energy.. just plain energy. Its about reaching the state of absolute free energy, not being encapsulated into a bodily form or any other state on the ladder. [You should watch the film Powder , (torrent) ]
First you say Buddhism is not a religion, then you say “There are Gods in Buddhism, but unlike other religions ……” By citing “other religions” in comparison to Buddhism, it appears you imply that Buddhism is also a religion.
Yes, my mistake. Buddhism is not a religion. I wrote that, perhaps because it is widely considered a religion. Logistically it is considered a religion, as people have faith in it
And then again, if you don’t consider Buddhism to be a religion, what the heck are “Gods” doing in it?
In Buddhism, Gods=spirits=beings past the human step and entering a higher energy state. Anyone can reach this state.. if you develop your brain by meditation and other methods. I did state they are not all powerful or almighty. A god is just another state along the ladder to Nirvana. In Buddhism, gods, await our blessings to progress further up the ladder.
Maybe I’m just nitpicking
You know you are, so do I, but I like to consider facts [I'm not a Buddhist], although I may not always present them in the easiest way to understand. Just the way my brain works.
June 26, 2008 at 12:17 pm
javajones
Eukaryote – I’m with you on the Niravana / Free Energy concept. But I can’t agree with the hierarchy of Gods / Spirits number.
And again you mention “God” as “another state along the ladder” – which means what? There is / are God / Gods? Sorry, can’t buy that!
No problem about how your brain works man, mine goes to pretty strange places as well.
Cheers!
June 26, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Gallicissa
Buddhism has evolved into an endemic folk religion in this country utterly different from the original form.
BTW, Nice soft language: “bovine rectal emissions” for bs. I like that.
June 26, 2008 at 1:32 pm
javajones
Meese – “Killing in the name of God” – I guess it has gone on for a while – like in the Crusades and stuff. Is it “good” or “not evil”? I figure that would be for the individual to decide. My take is that it is just a cop out for taking over.
Cheers!
Gallicissa – “..Utterly different..”. You said it buddy!
And thanks, I thought you may like it! Must think up a few more!!
June 26, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Gallicissa
Yes more of those please!
June 26, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Gallicissa
Java, remeber the ‘politically correct language’ post you did ? May I have that link please ? I save it in my computer but cannot find it now!
June 26, 2008 at 2:21 pm
javajones
Gallicissa – I guess these are the ones (fingers crossed)
http://javajones.wordpress.com/2007/07/24/new-words-for-2007/
and
http://javajones.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/using-those-%e2%80%98new-words-for-2007%e2%80%99/
June 26, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Gallicissa
I am after the post that mentions “cranial rectal inversion”… Remember?
June 27, 2008 at 1:51 am
javajones
Maybe you’re thinking of the comment I made on your post about George Carlin. Was this it?
Java Jones said…
I know this chick who is so cranially deficient that she has a hard time differentiating between rectal emissions and shinola.
Ol George may be gone for now, but will live forever in my head.
June 27, 2008 at 8:28 am
Palmyrah
Religion evolved out of magic.
Magic evolved out of the primal confrontation between emergent consciousness and instinct.
The use of religion as an instrument of social control is implicit in the character of what religion is.
It isn’t as if some power-hungry people took religion and ‘perverted it to their own ends’. It was a natural progression — an inevitable development of the religious impulse.
And it worked pretty well too, for untold thousands of years. It works well so long as societies are small and homogenous. Individuals pay the penalty, but society gains.
In large, culturally diverse societies, however, religion is a deadly thing.
Basically, it worked for us once, but we’ve outgrown it.
June 27, 2008 at 8:45 am
javajones
Palmyrah – ‘Magic’? There’s another one of those nebulous entities I have trouble with – sorta like ‘God’.
No matter – maybe you’re right about how these things evolved, but the way we see it – now and in the ‘past’, is that it was always a ‘power’ trip put on the ‘masses’ by the perpetrators. And this in turn generated the other shit that ‘religion’ is so immersed in – like the accumulation of power and wealth – and responsible for – like wars and destruction. All this done in the name of ‘God’!
June 27, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Theena
The Hindu pantheon is akin to Sri Lanka’s present government – bloated and full of wank.
On the plus side, they make for some fantastic mythology. Whoever came with that shit was smoking some fine ol’ ganja, eh Java?
June 28, 2008 at 7:18 am
Planet Apex
as usual very interesting post but i’m sad you know so little about Islam John…
June 28, 2008 at 9:05 am
javajones
Theena – Yeah?!!
Planet Apex – Yeah, have to start learning more about Islam. The reference to the virgins and stuff was just a dig at the fundies – not aimed at any particular ‘faith’. ALL fundies, as far as we are concerned, are in the same boat.
June 28, 2008 at 4:31 pm
ravana
On Darwin’s parting comment – I don’t think Buddhism is any better or worse when it comes to being power hungry than the monotheistic religions. In essence it is a religion of tolerance and understanding, but in the same way in essence Christianity is a religion of compassion and love.
When you institutionalize these religions and societies start identifying its members by religion, then you get the problems. It’s not so much a matter of faith or salvation, as it is a matter of group survival. The Northern Ireland conflict, for example, often cited as an manifestation of warring religious factions, is completely misconstrued in those instances. It is actually a political problem: republican versus monarchist, imperialism versus independence. Religion is just an easy way of identifying those political differences.
The same in many parts of the world. The problem in Sri Lanka too. Broadly speaking religion is a good predictor of political affiliation. It has nothng to do with Buddha or Jesus or good or evil. It has everything to do with politics, strenght, and group survival.
July 5, 2008 at 7:05 am
Richard
“I don’t think Buddhism is any better or worse when it comes to being power hungry than the monotheistic religions. ”
Really ravana? Have a look at
http://www.christianaggression.org
http://www.crusadewatch.org
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